it has its ups and downs and it's clearly on the point of radical dissolution, right now. what's going to replace it? whether it will evoke the same clamorous contingent of supporters that darwinism has evoked? i don't know. we'll see. a lot of sinister developments happening. big data is itself a response of a kind to the absence of theory and biology and psychology. mark: big data, the collection of health records, social -- >> tons and tons of data, together with artificial intelligence protect the data. if you don't understand what's going on, psychology, and if you don't understand what's going on in biology, heap together a ton of data and start looking at it. that's a response. that's something different. that was not expected. mark: uh-huh. i think a lot of our viewers hearing what you've talked about in atheism, darwinism and