donald trump. that is clear as day what he meant. inarticulate, but he's right. >> yeah, that's the point he's. trying to make. it's the prosecutor who is the arbiter of the truth and thatte doesn't mean the prosecutor is right. it just means that's the way the system is set up. >> sean: and professor dershowitz, i've got to get you to weigh in here. why would the white house counsel ever give them 30 hours? >> i think originally the original plan of the trump defense team was to cooperate in the hope that the investigation would quickly end. that hope has been dashed, but going back to rudy giuliani, i have an article today in which i say when the truth isn't the truth, making exactly the same point that andy made, a pointe that i've been making now for three months, that in order to fall into a perjury trap, all you need is one witness who contradicts one statement that the person says to the prosecutor.