the hearing room, but we expect that obviously the stakes are much higher this time around, but all indications are that security will be extremely tight to try to let professor forward and then judge kavanaugh say what they need to say to the 21 members of the judiciary committee. martha. >> bret: we just want to be clear. there are no open seats for anybody? could protesters get into the smaller room? is a totally closed down? >> brett, i've got to tell you, i've seen protesters in the building, but when we get off the floor, they have been checking ids very carefully. it could one have gone through? maybe. but it really seems like they're trying to keep the protesters on other floors so as not to fluster professor ford or judge kavanaugh with the stakes are so incredibly high. >> martha: we saw some of those around lindsey graham, holding up signs that say "i believe christine blasey ford," it really can't be