that. >> you have to know by now. that's part of the deal. >> it's a throwback to the sword and sorcerer films. anything from when i was a kid. "dark crystal" and "labyrinth." >> will you make funny faces to entertain me? no! never triangle face. i hate triangle face. it scares me. >> finally, i found myself in a pitch meeting. and i pitched the studio what i thought they would be interested in and they were not interested in those movies. and so i pitched this crazy movie that i never imagined anyone would let us make. and let's see what they say. and i pitched "your highness" and they dug it. they thought there was a possibility there so we were off to the races. >> who were you watching when you were growing up that you liked in movies because they played that guy that was a little bit over here that wanted to be in the center? >> i was always a big fan of bill murray, ever since i was a kid. he was always funny and a little crasser than the others around him.