events have gotten ahead of the truth telling from the government. i don't think they've been forth coming, no. >> give me an example. >> well, we didn't hear anything about spent fuel fires in the beginning even though spent fuel fires are one of the most serious problems that could develop at the facility. it might have been expected under the circumstances. i think we hear euphemisms as we go along, and we never quite get the whole story until it becomes too big to keep from the public. >> you make that as a predictive you speak as if that's predictive. that's normal behavior, to cover up? >> well, it's been normal for this company in the past. it's normal for the industry to some extent. it's a highly ideological industry and also involves a lot of concentration of political power as well as physical power. those institutions become very powerful, very close to the regulators and an adversarial