anything about gender. you have seen it all. >> if i say this is a cat fight, that would be a gender bias thing. i shouldn't go there. >> we'll settle it in a mud wrestling match after the show. >> let me ask you this -- >> i hope it's not about that. can i back away from the table while staying on tv. >> a male corner here. winston churchill, william howard taft, people who might not be elected today at the modern media age where you have slews of voters. >> it's trite to quote martial mclewin, ever since the kennedy-nixon debate, we've had tv politics. it's also tv is a different medium that has shrunk down the sound bite, showing it's gone from 45 seconds down to about seven seconds on average in presidential campaigns. >> hate to cut you off right there -- i'm kidding.