be the best, you got guy who might be president who doesn't believe in science? questions it, climate, old time argument over evolution, questions science per se? where are we international our global struggle for economic excellence when we challenge the scientific method itself? >> well, i don't want to -- think we should overstate perry's relationship with science. he just had back surgery with an experimental stem cell surgery. he believes to some extent. the views are in the main stream of the republican party. may be provocative or hurt his chances of getting elected taking him off message, but not positions that would be foreign to a lot of americans and certainly not a lot of talk radio show hosts. >> let's talk about votes for next year in states that decide