firefighters out here telling them this is about trying to keep our neighborhoods safe. this is about a strong middle class, and this is about giving average workers the dignity of work. >> governor strickland, one of the things that governor kasich told the media time and time again, that if this stays in place it will help him make up the budget gap. what will it do to the budget? you know the numbers. >> first of all, he did not have an $8 billion budget gap to fill. that's the beginning. but listen. these are good folks here. firefighters, nurses, you know, they don't make a lot of money. they just want to make enough to have a middle class lifestyle. >> let's cut to the chase on that. we're talking the average firefighter in this state makes just over $40,000 a year. harold, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> so basically the governor is asking middle class americans to pay more. i mean, to cut on the health care, cut on the pension, also