think they are that smart to figure this one out. >> well, yeah, and sometimes it's hard to keep track of this whole conspiracy that he is -- is weaving there, but i also think that the democrats would love to face herman cain in the general given what he -- the material that they have so far, given his lack of experience in foreign policy, given some of the gaffes that he's made and given all of the baggage that he's collected over these last weeks and explaining this and not doing so well. so this idea that he is the democrats' worst nightmare, as he said, it also just doesn't hold up to scrutiny. >> chris -- >> jonathan, respond -- i want you -- we have to get through a couple points. respond to this. here he is, houdini-like responding to the 61 text messages between him, cain, and ginger white over the several-month period here, as early as 4:25 in the morning when these calls and texts were sent out. let's listen to how he handled it and then you jump in here. >> that by itself doesn't tell