benefitted from the '94 surge and was there with newt, served with newt and you can hear some stinging words in him, as well. >> i read over the weekend some reporting on the different surges of the different candidates and how this is somewhat unprecedented to have so many. but let's take a look at iowa where newt gingrich i believe now stands at 26% to romney's 18%. i guess first of all, pick apart how long you think this will last and if it'll grow. >> well, if you take cain out, we were able to anticipate what could happen with cain. second choice of the cain supporters. that 9, you redistribute that and the gingrich lead grows he's at 28% and romney and paul are tied at 19. could it sustain itself? yes, what is the evidence it'll sustain itself? every time one of these folks rises up. but newt does have -- he is winning the portions of the party that you have to win to