which is i don't think politicians should get in the way of a husband's decision with his wife or a decision between a husband and a wife. now there's no confusion there, right? that's a very clear stance. to rick santorum's point. here is someone where you have no idea what he believes. he literally lays out his ideology in one hour and the next tries to reverse it. >> here's where i think santorum is wrong. if you say, hey, when you see him answer a question, unmanaged by his handlers, you see how he's going to be president. no, you don't. the handlers will be sitting in the oval office, if he ever got there, telling him what he thinks. >> that is quite a fair point, actually. i mean, i thought the santorum attack was -- was effective. >> very. >> in terms of who his audience is. extremely effective. i'm just in awe of everybody marching off this cliff together. scott brown is in a heated race in massachusetts. in massachusetts of all places! and he is associating himself with this bill. let's be clear on what this would do.