force their will on them and get more delegates. he's going to slog it out. i think i was joking with you this morning. i'm guessing gerald ford argued the delegate math was on his side at this point in time because he was winning like this over ronald reagan. >> but i was there. they also had a delegate hunting operation going on behind the scenes. >> ford did? >> for ford, right. and when we arrived a the the convention, mississippi was still open. and they were saying we've got to get mississippi over. >> at least reagan probably had a delegate operation. santorum doesn't have any of this stuff. >> the other piece of this i do think is important and is still to romney's benefit that you have gingrich and santorum fighting this out. santorum wants and you could argue deserves a chance to go one-on-one with mitt romney. and i don't see him getting that chance. gingrich is still going to make