>> all i can tell you is that the general consensus is that he has produced a birth certificate. the question is -- is it legitimate? that's why we stand now. because i think -- i have' seen a copy of it on television, the birth certificate, but you know the governor of hawaii couldn't get what he felt was an original of the birth certificate. he tried to do it and gave up on it. i think what obama is showing is a facsimile. >> music to the ears of old and stupid. why don't they do and shoot these theories down? >> it contrasts with senator mccain's valorous view point, to suggest i won't get in the mug and slug it out by personal assaults. and we've seen this more recently with the assault on pr -- professor derrick bell, to prove people who are not