them. they're very simplistic in the sense of presenting just a very happy landscape and one that was kind of magical. >> yeah. susan, can i ask, though, when you have someone who has painted like this and you're saying simplistic and certain words, with regard to the art critic assessment of his work, was he well-respected? >> no. in a word, no. and i think he was seen as -- i don't think anybody doubted that he was a very good draftsman. he could paint a cottage to look really like a cottage. but nobody -- no serious art critics took him seriously as an artist. and what made the story interesting for me to do was to talk to him about how he felt about that. he was very aware of it. he didn't care at all.