gettysburg, places like that, that brings more of a chill to your back? there's none for me. the first time i went to normandy, i was there with a man who had been -- he had been on the beach at omaha 51 years prior and hadn't been back since that day. and came back and just stood on the beach and looked out in the water as the rest of us sat back. it was -- i'll never forget it. i can't think of a place like it. >> it's phenomenal. the cemetery has a kind of cold beauty. and it's remarkable. and the cliffs are big, but they're not sort of -- before i went there, i thought of them as, you know, vast cliffs. and you think of how tall they looked when those young guys are coming off the beach. i think that the closest a lot of us are ever going to get to combat i think is the first 10 or 15 minutes of "saving private ryan," which spielberg and hanks' take on this, which i really recommend. it's a remarkable combat
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