monarch kirk out, out, out. there was only about 100 of them and 1.3 million supporters. >> uk uncut, you had hundreds of house to a suddens of protests or tens of thousands? >> not as many as hundreds of thousands but certainly there were quite a few. we have 5,000 protests every year on the streets on london and the public pays a lot of money to make sure they take place as safely as possible. >> the cultural history of exactly that if you look at speakers corner, you look at your books look at hyde park, look at the cultural history, forget rules and resources, the cultural history of both debate and speaking out -- >> it's all -- >> in england. >> correct. and if you think about it a guy like john wilkes, has anybody heard of john willings? >> no. >> you never heard of him? imogen? >> really bad now, aren't i? >> john wilkes. i found it -- this guy was