joe biden of early days in the senate, as a presidential candidate in 1988 would be stunned and maybe is stunned if he saw what it's like today. in '88, i didn't cover him them, but he was widely accessible to him. amongst the most accessible and fun to cover candidates i've cover. he's come a long way. on the other hand, he's less cloistered than anybody else running in big time politics today and the notion his staff can control him very much is pretty farfetched. he's much more assessable. open, available to the press. on the other hand, again, he's far less assessable. i approached him on a rope line in las vegas. he answered one quick question, but nothing like it would have been semi. >> let's watch what you were able to get on camera.