team, they learn to argue in a productive way, they need that. know how to express themselves in a professional way. but they are still very tenacious. >> even as a counselor, i'm more than that to a lot of these students. i find myself purchasing shoes, giving money for bus cards, buying food. items they may need, so i know that in order for these students to be successful, i really have to step outside of the box, just a little bit, to help provide the support that they need. so that they can be successful in life. >> with me is anthea butler, university of pennsylvania. dorell bradford, director of better education for kids. lila leff, creator of amoja university, and ms. jimenez. >> this is sort of the second revolution in a discussion about modernizing and updating the