the united states that this is the policy. to say that there was no knowledge in quotes specifically about this in the white house is nonsense. >> well, there you saw one of the high priests of journalism there, carl bernstein there, rachel, speaking i believe for the political -- the journalistic establishment. krou start messing with us, you start collecting our phone numbers, our records of who we call, you're challenging the first amendment. he certainly made that statement there. is he right? >> he made it very strongly. i don't think you'll find a lot of disagreement among members of the press corps on that. it really does go to the heart of the news gathering process. i mean, reporters assure sources, we're going to keep your information confidential. sources can turn around and say, really? confidential forever or just until the department of justice subpoenas your phone records? it makes it very hard for us to do our jobs. you're going to hear a lot of outrage, certainly, from journalists on this. the question is whether there will be continued outrage from lawmakers on this as well. >> so you're going to have to
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