without congress' help? >> list executive orders to allow for some projects to go forward. i don't think given the inability for the immigration reform to go forward, with respect to infrastructure and education, are going get a broad hearing in congress, particularly in the house. so while he sounded out these things before and i don't dit disagree that we need improvements in education, we need a massive overall of the grid, as it's called, as trillion dollar project that should be undertaken. i don't hold out a lot of hope that we'll see progress on this front any time soon. >> so then what happens to the grid? >> well, listen, the grid is being billed out in private sector activity and in being improved slowly. but as a national infrastructure program and i've been talking about this since 2009 and girard knows this very well. i think the government should spend the trillion dollars with a 6% yield on the bonds they use to borrow the money.