large. their leader, their top bomb maker, the guy most responsible for the new generations of underwear bombs. they're still at large. and we should note that the war against the al qaeda and arabian peninsula is not just a drone war. u.s. special operations forces based out of -- bases or at least kind of forward operating positions in the arabian peninsula have been working with yemeni special forces with saudi special forces among others to conduct attacks against some of those targets. so it's a combination of drone warfare as well as more conventional or at least special operations boots on the ground type activities. >> spencer and rajiv, my thanks to both of you. >> good to talk to you. >> when we return, in the never-ending effort to kill obama care, republicans have taken themselves hostage.