because iranians are probably going to want some kind of production of the sanctions before they start this process. >> i think they're going to want some reduction of the sanctions after this meeting. i think -- >> right. >> i don't think -- this meeting is where the details will be worked out. the iranians have said that they're willing to put everything on the table. they're going to talk about how many centrifuges they're going to have, how much enrichment they're going to do and all of that. and if that is agreed upon, and i think ann has asked these questions last week in tehran, if that is agreed upon, i think the sanctions can be -- kerry did indicate that he was going to. >> we should mention also that zarif was very up. he was very -- and also, he bounded into this council of foreign relations event, he came in later, after -- you saw him at the united nations. and he was -- i mean, i don't want to use the word "glowing," but he was obviously excited. >> he was smiling and excited.