>> define what victory is for both the sides. the democrats, you know, they have a little bit -- it is a little bit broader for them. if they get anything out of the committee and get anything out of conference, they can put together and put a budget together. obama can say look, i governed across the aisle, we can do this for the party, the republicans have a much harder sell with this. their problem is what used to be a big defeat for them, the big upcoming defense cuts in the sequester, if they don't get a deal, are no longer a defeat. there are some republicans who are upset by the defense cuts still. if you go back at the beginning of the sequester, you can talk about buck mckeon, the head of the defense committee in the house, really upset about the cuts and wanting to stop them, scott ridgell from virginia, republican against the cuts. but by and large, these guys are looking at a ticking time bomb that if it goes off they like the result. it is much harder sell. >> and the national journal is