>> immigration reform is going to happen. but it's going to happen in a step-by-step method. and i will tell you the president came out and supported that the other day. >> if we show how strong support is for immigration reform, we've got a survey from the public religion research institute showing 63% support a pathway to citizenship. victoria, do you think that there is still a real chance, even though we know how this congress gets along, that there's a real chance that the president could get something through the house? >> thomas, i hate to say it, but i keep being a pessimist here. we see the president pushing along immigration reform. he's changed tactics. now he's saying let's do a piecemeal approach. but the worry here is that we see what happened in 2006. in 2006 president bush also wanted comprehensive immigration reform. he finally relented and said, okay, we'll break it apart. i know the house of representatives doesn't want to see the whole enchilada go