and i can tell with your students, they don't remember apartheid. they're all too young to remember apartheid. what do columbia students and students everywhere need to know about it? >> they need to know a few things. in some ways apartheid in south africa and in the united states are the major places that ended up being democracies in the world we're actually the most similar countries when you think about it which is why i think for black americans in this country, we have their living memory of apartheid. i came of age in the '80s and '90s, and i remember conversations with friends and especially in college, we had just moved the divestment movement. >> there was a big movement for colleges with endowments that were invested in various companies to divest any stocks that were doing business in south africa. that went on for years. >> as joy said, this was the student movement of the 1980s.
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