hard right turn. sometimes you have to -- sometimes people would come in, agency people and they'd been in the business 25 years. i hug them and say there's not 15 other jobs for you in the industry but let's do a reboot. what did you love as a kid? fish as a kid? let's open an aquarium store. sometimes when you're forced to start a new game -- >> i love that conversation we had. when you're going through unemployment at least the first six months, the psychology of it is denial and you almost don't want to hear that. it was great to hear new plain speak say get over it, it's time to move on, reinvent yourself. >> meek, that's what happened with mika, who gave up a great
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