that puts him dead last in a list that includes chris christie, marco rubio, rand paul and jeb bush. >> that poll doesn't capture the intensity of people. he is going for the guys who will outlast everybody in iowa caucuses. he is looking for the absolute true believeers in the party. i can't imagine -- he can't imagine he is going to win the republican nomination much less the presidency. he can become a hero. >> they all think they can win. listen, jeb bush doesn't run, chris christie doesn't run that leaves rand paul, marco rubio. he has the energy. and the crusade rolls on. >> they are meeting in las vegas. and then ted cruz giving speeches like this and rand paul is the moderate compared to him. i wonder why they are self-destructing here.