education has looked like traditionally, and his efforts and his works have been consistently sort of part of a continuing problem over the last 15 years as it's related to things like undermining class size, which has changed our constitution to make class sizes smaller, not funding it properly, as well as the vast expansion of charter schools and vouchers. >> so you have seen the depletion of resources in public education because of charter schools? >> absolutely, absolutely. you've seen a redirecting of those resources into the 300-plus charters that we have here in the state. >> are they all for profit? >> some of them are nonprofit through their districts. but most of them are handled by charter management companies that are for profit. >> so are you picking and choosing neighborhoods that get the resources in this state in your part of the state? >> what we're seeing is cherry picking happening on the part of the school reform folks.