actionable intelligence that was, quote, otherwise unavailable, otherwise unavailable, was not obtained using these coercive interrogation techniques. >> okay. let's start with david ignatius in washington. you say, david, this was necessary to release for public accounting but what about national security? >> i found the report absolutely devastating. we've known about these techniques. we've known about this chapter in american life. but to see what it felt like for a young cia medical officer observing the first water boarding. the sense of sort of revulsion that officer felt. to read about how groups of younger officers watching the interrogation of these people would break down sobbing, they were so upset to see the person you described who was running the interrogation program,