secure work in areas far from actual fighting. lower and middle class americans will continue to join the military for educational opportunities, but with well to do citizens serving in greater numbers, we would create an all volunteer force which more accurately represents america. so what do we have now? >> i think what we have is a very real civil military divide and a lot has been spoken about that. and you know ultimately if you want to bridge that divide we can all go see all the films you want to see or read all the books you want to read but unless every american has skin in the game that divide is going to continue to exist. >> how do you think the conversation would change? how do you think our foreign policy would change if this actually happened? >> i think right now for instance we're having this conversation about ice says and iraq and whether or not we're going the put boots on the ground in iraq and by and large it's a little bit of an abstraction abstraction. i think if many americans were feeling that that might mean they're 17 18-year-old child would be serving in iraq again, i think it would -- a lot more