with the conservative base as ted cruz. he doesn't have a natural constituency and when it comes to the big establishment side jeb bush sucks up the oxygen and especially here in florida. but you shouldn't count him out. he's a strong campaigner, he has a strong resume he's very comfortable talking to the press, dealing with voters. he doesn't easily make mistakes. he's someone who especially if jeb bush stumbles at the gate and isn't polling well a few months from now, a lot of those establishment republicans might want to give him the look as someone who can carry the party. >> how are democrats looking at rubio versus let's say jeb or the other ones? >> he definitely is considered a top-tier contender. this is someone i've heard democrats tell me they worry about as much as anyone else and if you look at his candidacy you can see why. he's one of the only candidates who really presents a fresh face in contrast to clinton. that is something a lot of