and owned it in a way that she just couldn't quite bring herself to do in 2007 2008. obviously her position then remains highly unpopular with liberal democratic base voters. but they already knew that about her. i think it's not a huge factor for her at this point. >> professor i want to end with you. we've been talking about great challenges. and you certainly in your lifetime have faced your own share of great challenges and perhaps the greatest was having to deal with dr. burzynski. >> yes, my father. you worked with him? >> he was a tough one, wasn't he? >> i loved that he was loyal to secretary of state, but every once in a while if there was a decision where i felt that state wasn't quite right, i'd see who he could move. akon fess that the truth was somewhere between the two. >> it always is. >> police don't tell him that.