>> let me ask you a question. you have liberals and libertarians coming together over criminal justice reform. a lot of people on the right and left think it doesn't make sense that we have so many nonviolent offenders in prison and we spend $80 billion a year in incarcerating americans. we spend four time the amount keeping people in jail than we do on educating americans. have you been following the talk about criminal justice reform? i have. >> do you think we need to stop putting so many nonviolent offenders in jail and paying $8 o billion a year? >> well, i have to say this, in terms of our cities and in terms of the violent offenses, we have to get a lot tougher.
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