seriously. but you also have to take seriously whether they have any chance of doing what they say they're going to do or any record of doing it. so this is what i want to say. things that a lot of you may not know. when we met, it will soon be 45 years ago in a couple of months when we met, we fell if lon lov. i thought she wals ts the most amazing person, back then women in law school were a distinct minority. there she was at yale law school. she could have written her ticket to go anywhere she warranted. all she was really interested in was providing legal services to poor people. when we got out she could have gone to work, big law firm, get a fancy clerkship. she took a job at the children's defense fund. it was a nice story in the press