the story that donald trump has told public which i which is that he built this big empire, lost it, clawed his way back through his own genius and now making more money than ever, you would think he'd want to release the tax returns. but i suspect what they say is actually that this loophole is what they use. this isn't the only tax information that we've seen. we've seen this tax return -- tax information on him from nine different tax years going back to the 1970s. the highest income he ever reported was less than $120,000. that was back in 1977. we know of six years in which he reported no -- negative income. so the question for me if this was a real loss like mike pence said in the debate. >> he had a bad year. >> when did he make all that money? >> great point. >> we've not seen any tax return that says oh, donald trump made $200 million this year. >> that's a great point. josh barro, thanks for explaining that. >> sure. >> new battleground state
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