i think you're setting up an interesting new argument inside catholicism where trump really challenges some of the conservative pitch shops who don't agree with a lot of this anti-immigrant, anti-refugee politics. >> you know, father martin, i'm old enough to remember when the little sisters of the poor went to court against the obama administration's contraception mandate and you had what appeared to be a friction between the obama administration and the church over things like abortion, does immigration wind up pulling the politics, if you will, in the other direction? because we know that, you know, shielding the immigrants are a big part of the catholic teaching? on topics like migrants and refuge refugees, the church has been in the forefront. catholic relief services, jesuit