and civilians of syria is a much wider area. it will have to be cleared by vladimir putin. >> you interviewed him. what is the thought in terms of what's going through his mind? >> this is a man fighting for his survival. i did an interview in 2008 in which he said he would make peace with israel. imagine that. this was the man who was going to change middle east peace pore ever. in 2011. -- that's a 2008 photo n. 2011, there was an uprising in dar ra. kids spray painting walls, anti-government slogans. there was a funeral. and i saw in this city of dara on the jordanian border, they opened up fire on this funeral procession right here. that changed everything. other cities skaeupl came up wi protests. what began as chants for reform