be doing, and how police should conduct themselves. and i think it's easy when you are attempting to get people on your side to make them a victim. he's trying to increase victimology within the ranks of policing and law enforcement. and that will fly some, bwill p those who have respect for the professional integrity of law enforcement will not be fooled by his words or the actions of the department of justice moving forward. >> mark, thank you so much for joining us on a saturday. and that does it for us this hour on msnbc. my colleague thom as roberts is next with more. and you can join us in southern california, i'll be at plit con with kasie hunt, steve car knk