world war iii? joining us now, nicklas chris of the for "the new york times." returned from a trip to north korea. this was his third trip to north korea and ezra klein, editor at vox and host of podcast the ezra klein show. nick, one of the things that bob corker says is donald trump does not understand how the world takes his comments. he made a point that i think a lot of people don't often consider. he said, and you have to think about these comments in translation because they have to then be translated into languages around the world. what is your reading of what north korea is taking from this president when he says these things, like calm before the storm and people wonder what that mystery's about? >> i think that when president trump keeps talking about war with north korea, i think he's essentially bluffing. i think he is trying to put pressure on north korea and a