stolen before anybody else knew and whether he was involved or at least knew of the timing in order to have a strategic release of all of these. so joining me now is intelligence reporter ken delanian, part of the team that broke the news. so ken, again separate out for us -- we have the internet research agency and that did not include wikileaks, the podesta and dnc hacks, what this is about is just that. podesta and the dnc hacks. >> that is exactly right. we're told that special counsel robert mueller is moving toward an indictment or multiple indictments that would serve the same purpose as that document filed last month. essentially as you recall, that document left out the hacks of the dnc, the leaking operation. which played a significant role in the election. it was a big part of the russian meddling. so the new charges would tell the story of how that happened. and name the russians who were involved, allegedly. and they would rely -- we are