governing e-mail usage. if only someone had told ivanka trump on what the policy was on using personal e-mail before she started working there. >> it's unbelievable how hillary clinton got away with the e-mail lie, the e-mail scam, the e-mail corruption. we know hillary can't be trusted. we've learned that with america's security. you take a look at her e-mail situation. can we trust her with our security? how can hillary manage this country when she can't even manage her e-mails? she dund even remember whether or not she was instructed on how to use e-mails. were you instructed on how to use them? i can't remember. >> i guess ivanka wasn't listening to those rallies. joining me now one of the reporters who broke the story, political investigator for "the washington post" and an msnbc