i still, again -- you and i both know if somebody brought this up in constitutional law class, you would have a constitutional law professor who would say, okay, well, what if the president shoots somebody on fifth avenue and kills them, are you not going to allow -- allow the president to be indicted for murder that day? i just -- you take that to its conclusion and i'm not so sure that the justice department guidance will be followed by the supreme court. >> you know, it's a huge internal debate that's going on right now and the first person that has to make that call would be rod rosenstein or matt whitaker or whoever is in charge of pros could you testify decision-making in this investigation. that person would have to say i understand that the office of legal counsel has this long standing policy, but we are going to set it aside. normally there wouldn't be a great case for doing that because there would be a political check on an out of