he's the man in the room where it happened. and what happened was a year before any of these "access hollywood" or any of the other affairs that came out was a meeting where they discussed a scheme to conceal his affairs from the voters. so on two fronts you have -- it's a very significant development. you have another person in addition to michael cohen pointing a finger at donald trump himself, not just the campaign. and it now seems to be a very premeditated, orchestrated scheme. not some kind of reaction to the "access hollywood" tape that swreel to mitigate the damage any further. this was really a designed plan from the get go. >> peter baker, of all the consequential stories and consequential nights when you and i speak at this hour, where, in your view, does this one rank? where does this story rank? where are we on the temperature scale? >> well, that's a great question.