refugee and asylum crisis we're dealing with. those surges in numbers we're seeing of folks trying to cross the border illegally, many of the videos we just saw, is because the trump administration has choked off the ability for these migrants, refugees, to be processed at the border. the trump administration over the last couple weeks, even months, has been metering, namely, that they are only allowing a trickle of folks to be processed. and so these individuals are desperate, they're fleeing terrible conditions, and they say, you know what, we're going to chance it and try to cross illegally in these dangerous areas. that's what we're seeing here. we also need to understand this is a different frame from just regular economic migrants coming over. these are refugee seekers who have no other recourse and this is what we're seeing. >> one of the things that he wants to do, joel, the president wants them to stay in their