>> well, as you said, when he's saying on the box, he's talking about a lie detector. this is a consistent theme from the excerpts we've seen where he says the president doesn't tell the truth. >> clint mccabe fired for what the justice department calls a lack of candor, lying, basically, on four separate occasions. three of those occasions under oath. do you consider andrew mccabe trustworthy? >> i do. i think in terms of the circumstances and the way we see essentially every person that might challenge the administration, in public, through tweets, through firings, going after anyone tied to the investigation, i believe mccabe's account from the details that i know right now. what i do find interesting is the debates between rosenstein -- it sounds like between rosenstein and mccabe about what to do next. i can't trust people inside this building. rosenstein i've always felt just from the outside he must have gotten set up to be the fall guy