it's not enough just to beat trump. the only way to remove trump is to crush trump. and that's the question that has to be asked. who can crush trump? who is the street fighter? >> that's a great question. that was michael moore with brian williams. moore arguing against those democrats who say that the only way to defeat donald trump is to regain the donald trump democrats in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. i'm joined now by heidi and an msnbc contributor and michael steele rejoins us as well. >> to all of you, who is the democratic street fighter that michael moore is dreaming of? he suggested michelle obama. i can promise you that she's not running for president. >> this is the process, is to figure out who that person is. >> was that person on the stage either of these two nights? >> we may be getting more questions than answers. i guess i'm with the conventional wisdom that biden