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i'm winning in the polls. they're desperate. they've got lousy candidates. >> i'm joined now by beth fouhy, nbc senior politics editor, noah rothman, and basil smikle, who is a democratic strategist. beth, i'm trying to -- look, a lot of our assumptions about politics are kind of scrambled and up in the air after 2016. if this is what the trump folks are putting out there, that being called a white supremacist will actually help him, you -- can you conceive of a voter who's on the fence who is pushed in his direction by that? does that sound plausible to you? >> it doesn't sound plausible to me. we have a couple of camps that are very hard in their position. we have trump supporters who love the guy. they're not going to budge from him. they might feel a little emboldened like the deplorables of 2016. there is a large group of people who can't stand trump and are rushing to get rid of him. the folks who are left are those who basically perhaps don't like

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