by the same token to avoid becoming like that we have to have leaders who want the truth exposed as clearly and many ways as possible. so if we don't have a 9/11 commission then ngos have to step in. congress has to step in. if you miss your own history then your story is told for you and the story for americans is told through the prism of the big lie that trump supposedly won the election. and that lie leads people to close the minds to other people and leads a political party to move away from democracy so i would say constant challenge. always a challenge. >> how do you get a basically trusting society, ours, operating in -- with a first amendment to be more skeptical of what they see? if you know what the look for on social media you know the sites