A conservative m. P. And leading the brics it supporter will Boris Johnson now a baby the law the parliament has put in front of him. Andrew bridge and welcomes conflicts of. One of the biggest obstacles preventing a deal between britain and the e. U. Is the irish backstop the socalled insurance policy to keep open border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic the government has promised new proposals where are there well i think theyre already out there alternative arrangements have been discussed for over 12 months a trust a trade a scheme for regular trade its a very relatively small amount of trade that goes across the board about turn of 1000000000 pounds a year ago exemption exemptions for small traders. And checks away from the border but always 21st the Prime Minister said in berlin standing beside Angela Merkel you rightly say the onus is on us to produce those solutions he hasnt produced any since then why not well i think to an extent the irish border issue is a is a conflated issue in my view. Before the irish border became a stick with which to beat the the u. K. Government during these negotiations i want to go there were several years ago just where there was where the proposals are all the proposals are and were out of the proposals are all proposals that were out there a few months after the referendum was a joint statement by the head of h. R. See normal and and customs actually south of the border which said the current infrastructure on the border was quite sufficient to deal and there are only outcomes said it isnt look if the the minister is playing politics with this issue isnt it he calls the backstop 20 democratic lets not forget that he actually voted for that backstop in the Withdrawal Agreement in may just 4 months ago the 3rd time there was put out to vote. I didnt so dominate rob so the the leader of the house jacob reese more bleeding light of your European Research group who said if we take this deal we are legally out of the e. U. It restores independence thats what you want it for heavens sake restoring the independence for backstop wasnt so terrible 4 months ago why is it terrible now i think they were looking at the lesser of the bills i think they could see that perhaps it was slipping away potentially and it was the reason most deal or no bracks said i didnt hold to that opinion the fact was the truth and i put a job on the line and said if you if you back my withdraw agreement and get it through i will stand down and let someone else take over the negotiation about the future relationship i thought it was a flawed argument michael your people have pretty elastic principles one moment is ok the next moment is not i think were playing politics with it its not a matter of well lets suppose it it is for a large number of us i think that probably Boris Johnson and jacob riis mark and obviously with hindsight they would have regretted voting for the Withdrawal Agreement and the 3 at the end of the day that was never a deal that was ever never got more than 15 percent supported by the public and they. No but what about elin any price i want i do want to hear them are heard the minister who just resigned asked for reassurances that the government was working on the deal she didnt get them she directly contradicted the Prime Ministers promise that he was 100 percent focused on getting a deal absolutely but when you contradict it isnt the updates ive been grateful to see you have not provided me with the assurances i so i think Campbell Rhodes position on e. U. Membership and the Withdrawal Agreement and the negotiations are well known and she and it doesnt mean shes telling the lie does it but shes telling it from her perspective hes seen the papers well shes seen the cabinet she knows its not happening but surely anyone whos ever negotiated anything to him knows that with a walkaway position the more you prepare for no deal and i said this consistently over the last 3 and a half years the more the government prepared for no deal and publicly let that be known the less likely were ever going to need it it is unfortunate that so much time was wasted going down the blind alley of the Withdrawal Agreement. With all of the hours of may well come under that in the moment but with Boris Johnson trust isnt it and both either doesnt score highly on them and see what this is the man who announced in july that the e. U. Was stopping britain from having free ports we could do free ports he said it would be a massive boost to this quarter be we dont because of our membership of the Utter Nonsense as well if we actually saw on the withdrawal that we were she would be giving away the powers over state aid and those sort of tax discounts were giving a veto to the European Union so my potentially talk about free ports though when thats simply not true well if we signed the withdrawal graham we would have been under a veto our state aid rules mr pritchett but we would have no we would have 3 ports across the e. U. Most of them in new member countries what mr jones and also didnt seem to know was that until 2012 when the legislation that established reports expired here in britain there were freeport areas in liverpool southampton very soon there. Impressed we care but he didnt know any of that so this is the kind of nonsense that comes from the government is visited on the mother theres a little bit theres a decision in iraq i think theres a difference between the e. U. Allowing us to have a free port when we are a fully functioning member of the European Union and once we were in the Withdrawal Agreement if we asked for a freeport or they had a veto it was not necessarily in the e. U. Interest to allow us to have that advantage called into a house of Commons Library if the treasury wants to designate free ports it can do it by statutory instrument theres no need for a vote it can do it just like that in 5 minutes so its nothing to do with the as ill come back to the point if weve signed the Withdrawal Agreement weve given the e. U. A veto on all of our stated rules including the provision of free ports and our relationship with the European Union changes not the same as it was 5 years before the referendum itll never be the same again whatever the outcome of the brics it negotiations is what you will be different it will be different yes thats what we promised the people that live would leave like Boris Johnson you too in the past it seems strangely baffled by the rules havent you you told the irish Radio Station last year that was possible under the common area arrangements between britain and ireland for britons to get passports in the island and the irish to come over here and get passed but they cant let me know that that was simply wrong you want it was it was a it why do you put out the stuff well it was an unfortunate situation i should have done the into the into was after midnight and it was 2 or 3 days after my wife had just given birth to us i was a little sleep deprived and a little dream of happy at that stage i should have given the interview i mistook that for the situation regarding to people in Northern Ireland who have the choice of taking either british or irish passport. And i have apologized for that mistake your suggestions that under an obscure World Trade Organization called 24. 00 britain can somehow avoid tariffs on its exports in the event of a no deal you seem to be somewhat behind government thinking on this because just 6 days ago. Michael gove the minister in charge of bricks at preparations said high e. U. Tariffs on british exports remain the biggest challenge in the no deal indeed a souvenir but that gets 24. 00 article 24. 00 is basically a 2 page agreement between the e. U. And the u. K. Which the e. U. Have got to agree to right if theyve got to agree to it will have to agree to it or they havent got to agree to it but it to make it work theyve got to agree that we cant have but you havent got that agreement you say its a 2 peter we havent you havent got it we havent but this is piling more going on that were not going to get that agreement while the e. U. Think theyre either going to get us to coerce us through to stay in the European Union and not actually leave or to ask for an extension or that we would find the Withdrawal Agreement which is better for and theyre not going to face the consequences of no deal until. Weve sorted out our parliament if i were the theyre going to charge tyrus they treat you as a 3rd country and the rules and terrorists apply at the absolutely does and that and hundreds a gram we as if thats the way the e. U. Want to play it thats fine its unfortunate it will go down their rules in that case and will pocket we can refund all the tariffs to our exporters and pocket 12000000000 pounds a year from the European Union in excess tariffs thats fine if thats what the you want to do thats not what id like to do i would like to sign get 24 if we dont get to get a deal which i dont think were going to do that will give us 10 years or 10 years of tariffs and quotas free trade as we are now where we thrash out that detail comprehensive free trade deal along the lines of of the deal that the e. U. Did with canada and with far more important encounter will be 70 a market for 70 percent of all the us here will be far more complicated and difficult to get lets talk a bit about the situation of the Prime Minister in that because these well over 20 seats short of a working majority no power no authority and i was 26 double up so its 40 votes no power no author of the largest number of defeats in parliament for a new Prime Minister these parliaments poppet know how easily i dont call an election cant run down the clock a month. My analysis of the situation is that ive always maintained that we are we have got a rate remained dominated parliament its always been that in that situation what actually is happening now is that with the election of Boris Johnson by the conservative party as the new Prime Minister. Someone who is committed to get us out of the European Union by the 31st of october we flushed out the remain as who are in all the parties and i think i dont think its any any secret weve now in the position were lost where youve lost major talent margaret tell people the father of the house ken clarke youve lost him you lost a number of people who are deeply respected and have a lot of knowledge yet a lot of experience oppose it and use. Threw them out which is hypocritical in itself isnt it well because because look at all the times that the current front bench i think thats interesting about it against ansermet i vote she was pro i voted against the government on many occasions from the backbench and you werent thrown ball out but i voted against issues and policies i voted for the referendum i was one of the rebels of i voted against intervention led the rebellion against intervention in syria some years ago i voted against the h s 2 project every time its come to the house speed rail yet when i voted voted against the withdraw agreement on all 3 occasions that i voted against specific policies what the rebels last week did was they voted to take away the governments ability to legislate and hand it to the opposition and they were warned prior to that vote that if they did so they would lose their political lets lets just look at that legislation for a moment that. The lord now says that if Boris Johnson doesnt get a deal by october 19th the us the e. U. The e. U. Summit even extension. And this is what you want to the British Parliament passing british laws with no interference from the says actually what you want it part was exerting its sovereign orthorexic mustnt it i wish i wish that you are happy well im not happy when Philip Hammond one of the leading rebels on this former chancellor of the exchequer exchequer only a few weeks ago he admitted in conversation at number 10 with the Prime MinisterBoris Johnson that the e. U. Zone lawyers helped to draft that legislation and the and the sting in the tail doesnt matter who helped draft what i think is i think it says a lot of whose interests some of our members are working and the sting in the tail of the legislation is still legislation and apparently some people in your blood dont so you dont believe hes bound by law or fuz parliaments instructor i think i think its against the constitution of our country we have a system where lawrence received for the science it is but the way it were. Is the way it was delivered was not a photo didnt slow it received royal and said we on the statue we have a special that i think it should be tested in court where we have a system where whereby the the government of the day brings forward legislation. Which the house either approves or votes down it maybe amend it and then it goes on the statute book and at the next an election the government will be held responsible for the legislation it has passed were now in the perverse situation with the connivance of john bercow the speaker. Were in a situation where government legislation is being passed onto the statute book which the government neither proposed and indeed opposes doesnt mean that the road is really a lot of laws on the statute book that the governor hasnt proposed many months many of them wouldnt have contours of some sorts of laws i mean what are you suggesting that he breaks the law and im not suggesting that he breaks the law because that would be what i would say we dont know what i would say and it would set a very dangerous precedent but i mean the the appetite for democracy is appetite for martyrs it is it is insatiable and your link your great city is out with time for monsters as well we had in duncan smith former tory leader say the Prime Minister should be willing to be and would be seen as a brick sit mater so its not something glorious to break the law and no it is our duty to Britains International reputation if the Prime Minister started trashing laws and trashing the rule of law i think you know i think would be a retrograde step id rather take a legal challenge to the law and i think and if it go read this is really in court after that and they tell him to be the law well that theyre the silly shit then if the Supreme Court says he should then he should but there are other ways around it and theyve been well publicized he may be right of the letters. He may send a letter saying he wants or hes been told to ask for an extension to article 50 and he may want that i like that would look really good he sends one letters. You cant do i cant do this no you would say he was actually extension of the other one saying i dont know what makes a monster he will never cross i promise you one thing to him he will never say i want an extension he may say i have been commanded by parliament to ask for an extension however i think theres no doubt he doesnt want an extension and what will this extension achieve what is another 3 months going to achieve and the sting in the tail of that legislation that was passed helped to be drafted by the European Unions loyalty is it avoids a new deal bricks it with a lot of people in this country dont want he who fights and runs away and he lives to run away another day whats going to happen on 31st december and the real stinker in the tail of that legislation is in the final paragraph it is says that the Prime Minister is ordered to ask for an extension to the 31st of january 3 month extension however if the European Union will not accept the 31st of january and offer an alternative date for extension the Prime Minister only has 2048 hours to accept that date what its really wanted to you was a quick easy quick thing what you can what if the European Union come back and say what weve had enough of this weve had extension after extension the short extensions the u. K. Cant get its act together 5 years. So then we be in a situation where probably nearly 9 years after the referendum we havent implemented the will of the people express that referendum so damaging there are others talk about the use of the russians because you launched your lame the remain m. P. s in parliament for the mess britains in you said last week democracy only works when the losers accept the result and theyve gone against the will of the british people i know its always useful to blame somebody else when things go wrong but the fact is if it hadnt been for the unbridgeable divisions inside your party then the 3 years that your party has wasted bickering and fighting with itself the will of the people would have been delivered by now to reason may have to deal wasnt perfect but it would have delivered bracks it. In name only not according to jacob reese mark would have given you your independence other thing i think youd argue in the poll at this time show people wanted it more than 20 ninths you gov poll leave voters wanted to see that deal passed by 49 percent to 30 percent conservative voters wanted it by an even higher margin by 57 percent to 24 percent but you knew better than your own interest priddle lives would i say have through i was promised i would suggest that the overwhelming majority of those people never actually read