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President apparently does and when you are the Saudi Crown Prince apparently thats all that matters im burnt off in berlin this is the day. I feel just that i want to know what i have to leave but unfortunately youre off of the. Genesis of state where in exactly the same place we were a year ago i want. To come for david actually just for peace a chance hes going to take time he was a gloomy voice calling for freedom of expression and more accountability of the state who gave the orders for the murder he was responsible to serve his remains still and i think that. Also coming up tonight and taking back the wives and children of Islamic State fighters most European Countries dont want them back tonight an exclusive report from the country that does kosovo. Re a human we have people if someone makes a mistake one time we shouldnt just leave them and its not the childrens full time so we should help them. But to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the days still waiting for any semblance of justice in the murder case of journalist Jamal Khashoggi so she made a name for himself as an outspoken critic of Human Rights Violations in his home country saudi arabia he was also a man in love about to marry his fiance from turkey or that wedding never happened one year ago today to show she was brutally murdered inside the saudi consulate in istanbul saudi arabia has put people on trial in connection with the killing but an investigation by the United Nations concluded that because death was ordered by the kingdom of saudi arabia and that evidence points all the way to the crown prince of the crown prince has denied any involvement today at the Memorial Service in istanbul because so shes fiance cold for those in power to be held accountable the w. s julia han has more tonight from istanbul. Weve seen an emotional ceremony here today for Jamal Khashoggi it started shortly after 1 pm local time marking the moment he walks into this building right behind me the saudi consulate here in istanbul a year ago and we all know he never reemerged today his friends human rights activists his feel say and also jeff bezos the c. E. O. Of amazon and also the owner of the Washington Post which was a regular contributor to gathered here to commemorate his life and his work and to the mob justice and also to have what they call a moment of unsigned because thats what his kill is one to they say to silence a man a journalist who would always refused to be silent to openly criticize Human Rights Violations in saudi arabia and thats probably one of the key messages of the day that critical minds critical voices like mr bush should never be intimidated into silence that his murder actually turned him into a biggest symbol for press freedom and freedom of opinion worldwide. That was. Reporting from. Im joined now by stephen executive director with the project on middle east democracy stephen is testifying before us congressional committees our human rights and democracy in the middle east and he has written extensively on policy u. S. Policy in the middle east steve its good to have you on the show. I just want to start our talk if i can by reminding our viewers what the u. S. President said almost a year ago about this killing take a look. We have 450000000000. 00 worth of things ordered from a very rich country so to. 600000. 00 jobs maybe more than the. And it would be very hurtful to this country if we said oh were not going to sell it to you so the us president says we may never know all the facts surrounding the murder of mr so would it be accurate stephen to add to that since its as long as donald trump is u. S. President well in a sense if the we here is the white house and the u. S. Executive branch and ministration the President Trump oversees the yes in a sense thats true the reality is that many of us do know sufficient facts the world really does know that this was. A murder carried out by the saudi regime on behalf of its crown Prince Mohammed bin salmaan it was. Criticism of them have been some on directly and of his policies in the region and domestically that made him a target of this attack was coordinated overseen by one of them in silence closes inviter advisors a sound of qahtani its simply not possible to anyone familiar with the saudi regime or the way it operates that this would have happened without without the conferences knowledge and in all likelihood it was instigated and ordered by the crown prince and then a conclusion was also reached by the u. Winds top a person from investigating extrajudicial killings she spoke with us earlier today is to much to take a listen to what she said the belts mohamed bin sultan in his role in the killing. When. Mohammed bin send men we cook nice easy response said b. T. S. Kweisi head of state so m. P. C. T. And by implication we cook nice that the killing of mr k. Should be was this killing something that so far the authorities that systematically refused and criticize me for finding that the state of saudi arabia was responsible for the killing so thats what she said today stephen earlier this week the crown prince said that he takes responsibility for the killing but that he was not involved in any way no blood on his he adds what did you think when you heard that. Its a contradiction hes should take responsibility. But you know him as the head of the saudi state thats responsible for this crime does have blood on his hands and i would also add that he has blood on his hands beyond just of all his show jemaah was is the most sort internationally recognized and prominent victim of the saudi state but there have been many other saudi citizens that have been silenced imprisoned tortured and also killed by the saudi state and all of these crimes of these abuses have increased since mom had been so mom came to power as crown prince. What about turkey turkey has pledged to bring justice because the murder took place on the turkish territory in your opinion has turkey done enough to walk the talk and to back up that promise. Well. On one hand turkey has helped provide evidence of the crime. You know a lot of the evidence a lot of the facts that we know of this crime because it took place in stumble have been provided by turkish Government Intelligence Services on the other hand they sort of use this evidence try to use this as leverage trying to leak it out slowly and its also important to remember that while turkey. Has played i would say overall a positive role with regard to this crime its its own hands are not clean with regard to a journalist and Free Expression turkey is actually also one of the leading jailers of journalists worldwide. Is so its clear that the president early on is motivated more by some of the tensions that he has among the less than friendly relationship with mohamed and some on the saudi regime that any sort of principled dedication to justice for journalists you bring up a good point there turkey the last killing turkey has more journalists in prison then china does what would you say are the lessons that rulers in the middle east can take from the murder on this one Year Anniversary is that lessen the fact that they can kill with impunity and that they can get away with murder. In a says yes thats the last and i mean i think to a degree. They have seen other leaders have seen. Enormous amount of International Media attention and comments that this murder has drawn which contrast with many other crimes that are carried out by the saudi regime and other authoritarian regimes in the region silently so but having said that there have been no real tangible consequences from a common some all been some on or his grip on power. To a degree that may have learned the lesson that when committing crimes such as this they should be a little bit more cautious in terms of the way that its carried out. And not to provide evidence they can be used by by an unfriendly government such as turkey but certainly they also see the sort of chilling in silencing effect that this kind of crime does have on kind of potential dissident voices dissenting voices including those who are based abroad outside the country stephen meccania with the project on middle east democracy joining us tonight from washington steve as always we appreciate your time and your insights thank you. Thank you for having me where youre watching the day still to come as europe grapples with what to do with the winds and children of Islamic State fighters we ask does kosovo have an answer thats coming up in just a few moments. In the United States the impeachment inquiry is moving forward quickly despite a spy the u. S. President to discredit the whistleblower and lawmakers who are leading the investigations today tweeted that the impeachment is quote b. S. Well that drew a Firm Response from hell speaker nancy pelosi. Its unworthy of the constitution and say to do what he did and that call and give it to me said its perfect you know its not that its wrong a and b. That protecting with unclouded is a very very important important. Part of that that we have who we are concerned that the white house will have to stay all our decision much as they installed the other committees in the past. Its why i say the way has these to understand that any action like that. That forces us to litigate or ever consider litigation will be considered further evidence of instruction justice for the u. S. President is on a collision course with Congress Facebook c. E. O. Mark zuckerberg thinks he is as well and all the a recording of a conversation with zuckerberg has been leaked and it reveals what zuckerberg really thinks about efforts by wall makers and would be president s to regulate and even break up big Tech Companies. Like it was. The right answer is to break up with somebody you know president. Well i dont. Know where we go. Yeah you know. Youre there are other governments are you sure you want. That want to work with our government youre good. But look at you theyre going to try to write something. That. Will definitely confident Mark Zuckerberg bear markets where to drill here at the big table my you know i mean you know the true colors of there being revealed if only for a couple of seconds what is the problem with big tech in the u. S. Regulators. So when we talk about big tech were generally talking about what are known as the big 5 thats Google Facebook apple amazon and microsoft these companies they touch every aspect of our lives every day all day and thats part of the problem they have so much power and theres very little regulation or accountability right now because the laws just kind of havent caught up to where society is these companies have now essentially become monopolies they generate they generate more than 100000000000. 00 u. S. Dollars a year thats more than the economy a saudi arabia for reference amazon recently surpassed the u. S. Retailer walmart as the biggest retailer in the world according to Forbes Walmart is actually losing 1000000000 u. S. Dollars a year trying to compete with amazon and even if you try to look for alternatives to these companies to try to live your life separate from them you really cant there was a reporter who her article went viral earlier this year she tried to disconnect completely from using any one of these companies and any of the little subsidiaries that they own and she just couldnt she couldnt do her job she couldnt live her life that it just goes to show how inextricable they are from how we live now we heard Mark Zuckerberg there talking about the democratic president ial candidate elizabeth. And warren what is exactly is she proposing to lose warren is known as being very left leaning and throughout her career even before she was a politician she was known as being very anti corporate very anti big business so this is what zuckerberg is reacting to hes reacting to a post that her team and she made earlier this year proposing to break up not just facebook but all big tech monopolies saying quote i want to make sure everyone is paying playing by the rules and that the next generation of Tech Companies has an opportunity to flourish and this is happening at the same time not only is this rising leftwing sentiment in the u. S. But we are seeing not just facebook but facebook really is the flagship here that is weathering scandal after scandal having to go through the hacking Cambridge Analytic misinformation data privacy questions so its really the 2 sides of one coin in the wind is not blowing in facebooks favor thats true the public image of specially of facebook is not good right now is there public support for what Elizabeth Warren would like to see happen so not only is there public support but its public support that cuts across demographics which is what was most surprising to me its there was a poll from you gov data for progress that sure that nearly 2 thirds of americans across education lines party age gender support breaking up these big Tech Companies and more is not the only candidate whos talking about this weve also heard Bernie Sanders whos another strong left wing candidate talking about the way facebook and google have caused major turmoil in the journalism industry and how he would regulate those companies if he were president theres also a growing contingent of Silicon Valley donors who are supporting Elizabeth Warren indicating perhaps that there may even be some internal support for what shes a suggestion is interesting too because i mean i remember going to congress saying that hes willing to work with wall makers if they want to regulate the industry so much for that so what you are not my is where there is always my thank you flora. Should we let them come back do they deserve to come home the European Countries including germany france and britain are struggling with what to do with their citizens who joined so called Islamic State in syria while makers remain reluctant to allow a homecoming for former fighters saying that this could create new domestic Security Risks but in april kosovo took back a 110 of its citizens mainly the wives and children of Islamic State fighters they had been detained in kurdish camps in Northern Syria after the collapse of Islamic States territory so are they being successfully integrated back into civilian society are they a returning today a Security Threat tomorrow the to be news asked one of those allowed to come back up until about half a year ago and i was still living with the socalled Islamic State in syria she stayed on till i asked lost its last holdout in the military strike we need an a and a lake outside constables capital pristina she lives under house arrest awaiting trial like other attorneys and is the 1st consul returnee to speak on camera about her experience we wanted to know what she thought about the beheadings and other reported crimes against humanity committed in the name of the Islamic State not and avoided our questions and focus instead on her own suffering the asterix when they came they just destroyed a house a big building there were children there there were women mothers everything in the house. Anna tells us she didnt know what she was getting herself into when she followed her husband to syria in 2014 he died in battle she married another fighter his fate remains unclear and i says that being back in kosovo after almost 5 years feels like she has been given a new lease on life she cannot understand why other European Countries like germany are refusing to take their citizens back. We are human we have people if someone makes a mistake one time we shouldnt just leave them. The women pass i sensed have and its not the childrens fault either so we should help. Help them like our own country kosovo hopes to do in april in an operation assisted by the United States kosovo brought back 32 women 74 children and 4 male fighters the cause of our approach is unique so far no other european government has undertaken similar steps while the men were sent to prison the authorities are closely monitoring the women entering and giving them counseling. We didnt see any resistance from bond to be part of our programs and maybe this also is due that due to the thought that they know all that was because of operators who took the decision to the pottery in kosovo otherwise they would have remained calm things on the concept is based on the belief that back home under official observation the returnees pose less of a Security Risk than if they remained brought the aim is to reintegrate all of them into society eventually including the men on the streets people are supportive of the measure. And youve got them theyve made mistakes. We have to help them reintegrate into our society. They are our people. And told me a couple it was a good decision to bring them back i support this initiative and im on with. At the chunks these people have not come back to do harm here like they did there that is why we should not exclude them. Around 90 percent of the almost 2000000. 00 cars of ours are muslims but nardelli secular in outlook despite that more than 400. 00 young cause of arson joined extremist groups in syria and iraq between 20122017 thats the highest rate per head in europe some were easy prey for religious extremists unemployment in the country is high and prospects for the future are not good. And i wants to put our time in syria behind her she says she feels accepted by her family neighborhood no one talks about her time with Islamic State but and a says she understands why shes under house arrest we came from a place of war its normal theyre investigating us but in the end they will understand that its not how fault we didnt do anything maybe our mistake is that we were there that we left there anna is still convinced that she didnt do anything wrong thats now up to casa both authorities to judge. Well im now joined by w. s Investigative Reporter mike hears from one who was part of the team filing this to work mighty its good to have you back here in the studio so why in the world kosovo what does kosovo have or do think that the rest of europe is not doing. Its only guess work that i can do here for one kosovo has not suffered and attack and islamize terror attacks so unlike germany unlike france unlike belgium on like Great Britain who had great losses you know theres no negative sentiment in that respect in kosovo 2nd the kosovo is the main major Muslim Country so 95 percent of the population is muslim you know they are following islam but they are following a very liberal version of islam very much unlike salafism is not what we see in saudi arabia when you its a super secular country i live in bonn and in bonn i see more people with head scarves and fully wiil than i saw on the streets of pushed you know and then but that is really pure speculation and then there might have been some pressure from the u. S. But i do you said you said in your report that the u. S. Was crucial in facilitating the return of these returning back in april what did the u. S. Do well what what officials that we talked to confirmed was that the u. S. Was crucial in the luggage sticks so the u. S. Probably i think with the military planes they ferried those 110 returnees out of Northern Syria turkish port from what they were ferried off on chartered plane back to kosovo but i think moreover. It has been very important that President Trump has called for countries to take back their citizens in and you have to knows it. Kosovo is i think the most u. S. Friendly country at least in europe maybe in the world ive ive never been in any country where i saw as many u. S. Flags flying i walked through the streets of pristina capital and they walked past by a big statue of bill clinton and the small state of Madeline Albright and i think because the cause of us know that the state wouldnt exist without us i think even the hint from the u. S. Ambassador that they would like to have repatriate citizens would have encouraged to to do so i want to ask you about on who we saw in this report the thing that struck me is there at the end of the report we hear that ana is not sorry for what she did anything she did for going to syria and for being married to an Islamic State find her. That has to doesnt that trouble people in kosovo knowing that she doesnt really see that she did anything wrong or was connected to anything wrong well the people we talked to. They were positive about bringing people back i mean it was you know we only talked to i dont know maybe 2 handful of people so its by no means like a poll or something but those were overwhelmingly positive. Some of the more differentiating than others saying you know im glad we brought them home but we have to set. Money aside to take care of them to money told them to deal with them psychologically but it was a director of Public Security and sell food confirm to us that the Public Opinion in kosovo is divided so obviously there are people who think that that there is a Security Risk in these people being back in the country but he is 100 always mathias deceived excellent reporting thank you. Well the date is almost gone but the conversation continues online to find us on twitter either d. W. News or you can follow me aboard golf t. V. Dont confuse the hash tag the day and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see that happen. When much of europe wanted to kick them out maria microbiome he invited them in. The song most is home to one of the worst pretty cheap cancer in the mediterranean. But one woman makes life a little better for her new neighbors. Meet mama riyadh and the refugees of some most. 90 minutes w. Ali mccartney. 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